root notes on scales


pwerky
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Hello there!

I've been enjoying LIsa's Guitar Fundamentals course and am working on my first scales.

There's something I'm not quite understanding. Now as I understand it a scale begins on a root note (c for example) and ends on it.

Why ,then, in grid patterns do the scales start and end a few notes before the root note? For example when I go into the scale finder on the Guitar Tricks Tools the C major scale (pattern 4) begins on an E and ends on a G.

Or am I not seeing things correctly?

Anyway, I hope my question is clear, Thanks


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Tinpan
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Hi. You'll see the root note is hilighted red and has a 1. I think it's showing you all the degrees of the scale in a box form across all the strings. Confusing for sure but I always tried to remember the pattern and start at the root note only. Then you can apply the patterns from whereve you can find the root note and simply shift the pattern by one fret when hit the b-string.

Someone else will probably explain it better, but I recognised this pain.


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ChristopherSchlegel
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Hey & welcome to GT! Glad you are enjoying the lessons.

Originally Posted by: pwerky

There's something I'm not quite understanding. Now as I understand it a scale begins on a root note (c for example) and ends on it.[/quote]

Yes. As a conceptual unit you learn what notes and intervals a scale consists of. And then you start to play it from one root note up to the next root, or starting at the higher root note, then down through the scale notes to the lower root note. That helps you understand the essence of a scale. What it is and how it sounds.

C major scale root to root:

c-d-e-f-g-a-b-c

However, any scale can be continued beyond either root note as high or as low as the musical instrument allows.

C major extended below root note:

(a-b-)c-d-e-f-g-a-b-c

C major extended above root note:

c-d-e-f-g-a-b-c(-d-e)

[quote=pwerky]Why ,then, in grid patterns do the scales start and end a few notes before the root note? For example when I go into the scale finder on the Guitar Tricks Tools the C major scale (pattern 4) begins on an E and ends on a G.

Essentially because there are more notes available in that position.

The Scale Finder is a reference tool. It shows you all of the notes of any given scale in one fretboard position. It's possible to play the C major scale notes using notes below the C on the A string, and on notes on the lower E string as well.

The Scale Finder is not a teaching or pedagogical tool. It's simply a reference tool that you can use to find all the notes available.

Finally, in real music you will find that you don't always play an entire scale from root to root and then stop. Usually melodies start and, or stop in the middle of a scale. So it can be handy to know that any given scale extends above and below its root notes.

Hope that helps!


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pwerky
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Thank you TinPan for your iput. I'm glad I wasn't the only one wondering about that!

And thank you Christopher Schlegel. I see now that appropriate notes, for want of a better word , are available before or after a given root note.

Anyway back to those scales!

Cheers


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ChristopherSchlegel
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Originally Posted by: pwerky

And thank you Christopher Schlegel. I see now that appropriate notes, for want of a better word , are available before or after a given root note.

You're welcome!


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