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ChristopherSchlegel
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ChristopherSchlegel
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Posts: 8,366
12/26/2015 5:24 pm
Originally Posted by: jaelerI'll go into your django tutorial, you have 4 parts, the melody, the 3 part minor scale run, the 3 part arpeggio run, and the chromatic run, which I haven't started.[/quote]
That's not one of my tutorials. That's Hanspeter Kruesi's.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=410
Originally Posted by: jaelerWhat I notice is the chord changes, and that adds a lot of flair.[/quote]
Yes, the extended harmony chords in jazz adds much of the flavor. And that's because they outline, or imply voice leading & modulations.

It sounds like you might enjoy my intro to jazz rhythm & lead guitar. It requires a lot of prerequisite understanding & skill. But if you really want to learn jazz, this is a great way to do it because it shows all the basic concepts. Just as importantly, it gives you a way to practice them! To apply them & put them to use.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=1697
https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=1757
[QUOTE=jaeler]That said, I want the 15 fret scale run.

Do you mean something like this image that shows all the major scale modes across the fretboard?

https://www.guitartricks.com/wt/gt/hosts/0/4/8/ModesPatternOverall.PNG

That's part of my modes tutorial.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=370

Also, because you can play the same note in more than one place on the guitar, it's useful to know & be able to play the major scale in it's many possible configurations.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=453
[QUOTE=jaeler]And with that, while I could figure out all the pentatonic fingerings, I'll take your advice, and just switch them to the chord. That will be a quick reference to change the scale. And well, I tried to work it out. It can't be done. How can I turn a D dorian scale into a C pentatonic without a D? It's not possible.

That's what I meant when I said as soon as you start playing pentatonic you are in essence disregarding the concept of diatonic modes, because you are only thinking about 5 notes, avoiding 2 that would flesh out the diatonic modes.

C major scale:
c-d-e-f-g-f-a-b

D dorian is just the C major scale starting on the 2nd scale degree.
d-e-f-g-a-b-c

But C major pentatonic leaves out the 4th (f) & 7th (b) & those are the notes that give the dorian mode all it's flavor!

In D dorian, the F note is the minor 3rd & the B note is the major 6th.

So now, without the characteristic minor 3rd & major 6th, you simply have 5 notes of C major pentatonic, but slightly shifted to start on D instead of C.

d-e-g-a-c

So, yes, C major pentatonic & D dorian share notes. But since 2 important notes are avoided it sounds a lot different.

If you'll work through this modes tutorial you can see how I use the pentatonic boxes as visual reference points to play the diatonic modes. But you have to put back in the 2 diatonic notes you left out when you changed to pentatonic.

https://www.guitartricks.com/tutorial.php?input=770

I really think those modes tutorials will clear up a lot of confusion! :) And even better, it will give you a way to apply them so you can start to think of them as sounds you can use & patterns you can play instead of remaining slippery abstractions that haven't been put to use in a practical context.
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