SOAD is a good band. But it usually takes awhile for people to start liking their songs. When I first heard Chop Suey I absolutly despised it, but now its a decent song. As for the talent in the band, I think the drummer is excellent and as for the guitar player, he's not a "great" guitar player, but he is an awesome composer (i guess thats the word) He can put together great songs with the guitar, including many riffs in each song, going from clean to heavy, slow to fast, he's really great. But my favorite song by them is Ariels. Its a realy phat song.