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educatedfilm
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02/25/2002 1:59 pm
Christoph: *"get up, stand up" by bob marley plays*... ya come to da ri't place man...
I'm not saying the palastnains are blamless by any stretch of imagination, but the claim that they're doing the worse side of things is easly proven wrong by the fatality figures... when the ratio is getting close to 7 palastains to 1 isreali, is it screaming at you the palasitinains are running around killing isreali's, while poor little isreal is barely managing to defend her self?...NO!!!
I'm all for peace in the regoin, but it will never happen if each side keeps on saying the other side will take advantage and attack... what we need is new leaders on both sides... and some decent media coverage, not something that will sell or keep poeple tuned in through the comercail break... I mean it's true, poeple pay attention to the news when something bad is happening, but not so much when things are ok... and you tell people that maybe they should forget about their current ideas and open up to peace, they'll change the channel... So maybe the media has to be responsable here, and relize that journalism that sells isn't what's needed to calm things down...
I'm pretty sure peace will be reached in the end... as "liberal" groups on boths sides are growing...
Ponyone: heh, if you do some indepth reaserch, you'll see that islam, christainity and judiasim are sister religoins, and you'll be shocked (like i was) to find how similar judiasm is to islam, with respect to aspects like family life, women etc etc... even the hewbrew and arabic alphabet are sooo damn similar.. I've also never met an imam who said you cant treat jews and christains as borhters of the faith, and i've met quite a few in my time, because it's directly stated in the Koran, and if htey try to say other wise it's blasphamy :) (or "poeple of the book", the book refering to the torah i think), this is by no means a modern thing, why do you think that arabs took the jews of spain in with open arms during the spanish inquisition... I think there's paranoia on both sides really... I mean if an muslim marries a jew or a christain it's fine, no family members complain (other than maybe if the partner drinks.. but there's always like differeices in culters that lead to little glitches).. whoooah, hold your horses, the war isn't against jews, it's the palastinains fighting isrealis there's a big difference.. as i said religion is used as a tag, when really it's rich vs poor.. sharon has also created this false sense of unit too... you can see this by increased violence and little to show for it (so really he has also failed the isrealis, and i'd be surprised if he would get another term in office).. also i dont think you understand what the terrorist are saying.. they're not tragetting "infidels"... They're targetting what they see as occupation (it's not right, and neither is targetting suspects in high density civilain areas, or biulding roads through palastian areas for settlers, which is inflamatory and not talked about).. We dont know how isreali resolve works, because by the time we hear about something it's been through so many spin doctors no one knows their backside from their elbow.. peace will only happen if you put the hope into poeple's hearts.. it could happen now if poeple are shown that yes it is possible, and that BOTH sides can gain from it.. not that "why should we, when they...." arguemnt that both sides use...
I mean through debates like this i've learned some useful things, like the fact that you'r 18 you do your year's service in the isreali army, which would explain why isrealis really dont like kids protesting/ throwing stones... cos these kids aren't killing isrealis in the streets of telaviv... but parents really fear for their kids safety.. SO i'm begging to understand more isreali thinking (although i cannot justify it)...

[Edited by educatedfilm on 02-25-2002 at 08:24 AM]